![]() Thursday, 8/13, our Bible study topic is: comparing different denominations and faiths! Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236. Below these discussion questions are some optional read-ahead resources, though obviously there's a whole world of beliefs and perspectives to explore. Questions to center our discussion, and encourage personal reflection:
From the Lutheran Handbook, here's a very simplified (and slightly outdated (c.2000)) chart about some of the largest world religions: Here's a fuller chart including many more world religions: The Big Religion Chart. Helpfully, this one includes practices, belief in the afterlife, etc.
The best source for up-to-date religious data in the US (how many people practice different faiths, what beliefs, and how it all breaks down against different factors) is the Pew Forum Religious Landscape Study - you can explore data by region, topic, and various data sets. From the Lutheran Handbook, these following charts summarize the somewhat complicated family tree and comparisons of Christian denominations:
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If you want to read ONE thing, I recommend Lutheran Pastor, illustrator, and theologian Daniel Erlander's It's All About Love. It's essentially a synthesis/summary of Lutheran theology and the catechisms, but it's written as a fold-out illustrated path - "journey" - so it is easiest to read if you print it out and lay the pages out - or just make sure you follow the path and read the boxes in order... Don't let the cartoon illustrations fool you - this is good, heavy theology! Two scriptures to consider that are at the heart of Lutheran theology:
Two videos, which in the past I've sometimes shown in new member classes, that succinctly convey what it means to be Lutheran - watch again even if you've seen before! The most central thing in the Lutheran faith is belief in God's grace - that it's all God's doing, not ours, and God's rich forgiveness, love, and relationship is completely unearned on our part! So here are two Lutheran pastors below, sharing central pieces of what it means and looks like to be Lutheran: former Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson on the question, "Why Lutheran," and Pastor Nadia Bolz-Weber (whose books Accidental Saints, Shameless: a Sexual Reformation, and Pastrix, I recommend - in that order) from the 2013 youth gathering on how she became a Lutheran.
There's also this central text to start with: Martin Luther's Small Catechism. Luther wrote this (almost 500 years ago) to be foundational set of questions and answers of the building blocks of faith, for home conversation and family reading. Also includes topics of the sacraments of baptism and communion, and some simple prayers for home. Here's a simple pdf version to read, and Pastor would also be happy to get you a copy. We read this together in small group study once every year or two - speak up if interested! OR - here's the free app version, which includes a couple extras (and I like because it's always handy)! I also wrote this very similar intro/refresher to Lutheranism blog post which includes mostly the same info but a bit more, and further reading recommendations... Here are some questions to consider and may guide a conversation:
As always, you're invited to join the group discussion - we love welcoming new folks and always have lively conversation! If you can't make it or just have individual questions, you're always invited to email me, Pastor Brett - and I'd be happy to find a time to talk one-on-one! 7/23/2020 Creation stories in the Bible (yes there's more than one) and how they compare to other religions'Read NowThursday, 7/30, our Bible Study discussion topic is creation stories in the Bible (yes, there's more than one) and how they compare to other religions'.
Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236. Here is a visually easier way to read the two different accounts of God creating the world that occur back-to-back at the beginning of the Bible, in Genesis 1-2. (Not endorsing the writer's comments on the link above, was just an easy-to-read bible parallels version I found.) Genesis 3 follows with the story of the serpent and fruit which in the NRSV often has the title "the first sin and its punishment." (Remember, passage titles/headings are the editor's addition.)
Now, as for other religions and cultures, here's a six-minute listen (or read the transcript) of a quick NPR interview from a scholar who works on the topic: Exploring the World's Creation Myths. This site provides a good overview of different common themes between global creation stories of different cultures/religions. (Don't mind that it was done by a student and is outdated web design - it checks out and it was hard to find a good comparison page.)
Thursday, 7/16, our Bible Study discussion topic is does God condemn? (And what does the Bible say about it?
Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236. This topic has been an ongoing thread through our last year or so of Bible study. In a way back when we were reading the book of Job together, but definitely as we read the gospel of Luke, one person raised the question - does Jesus actually ever condemn someone in the gospel? We picked that question back up at times, considered Jesus' encounters... So this Thursday we're making space to talk about this question directly - and broadly. Does God condemn? And how do we regard the scriptures that talk about this? While our conversations at times dip into the intellectual/analytical side, I want to encourage you to be mindful as you read and as we discuss, that (like many of our other topics) if we engage this only intellectually we neglect the ways in which it has caused pain or been a very personal lived experience for some. In other ways, it's one thing for me who has never believed or had this used against me, to talk theoretically about divine condemnation, it's another thing for someone to consider it who has believed it or borne the pain of someone's use of it. (This is partly a note to myself - sometimes when I think - "oh, I don't believe that" it can be dismissive to people's experience who have lived with the very real ramifications of such a belief, and how hard it is to change.) Ok - on to the topic at hand: Let's take the second question first - what does the Bible say about condemnation? (Scroll down if you want to just look at the questions to consider first.) In a quick word study of the root word(s') use across scripture, I notice a couple things:
Does God condemn? Here are some questions to consider:
Thursday, 7/9, we'll continue our Bible Study discussion topic is resurrection stories - Jesus' and ours(?)
Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236. What difference does it make that Jesus was resurrected? Does the bodily resurrection of Jesus seem curious to you? The four different gospels have some interesting details below follows a summary of all of the resurrection stories/"accounts." How do these resurrection stories strike you? What genre would you put them in, and what do you take away from them? Which of the resurrection stories/"accounts" is most meaningful to you? Least? Weirdest? Matthew
Bill Schilling compiled this fascinating overview of other resurrection connections and stories: Other Biblical examples of resurrection:
Thursday, 7/2, we'll continue our Bible Study discussion topic is what's a Christian, and how do you become one?
Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236. On Thursday we may discuss (depending on interest of the group):
Thursday, 6/25, we'll continue our Bible Study discussion topic is church and society. Join us, 7:30-8:30pm, on Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/703956236 What do you consider as the relationship between church/faith and society? And/or what should it be? A new resource published by our denomination (ELCA) week of 6/22, Being a Public Church, outlines what's acceptable and not for congregations and clergy's public engagement in elections and campaigns. From this morning's daily prayer, the reading was Ezekiel 34:1-16 - about the leaders of the people who are false shepherds, and God's promise to be a good shepherd. God has a lot to say in scripture about leaders, governments, kings, leaders, and the weaknesses of societies, for the sake of the people. What does that mean for how we as people of faith are to respond? Any study of this topic often begins or can be helped by starting with (but not necessarily sticking to or accepting) H. Richard Niebuhr's categories in his book Christ & Culture (as summarized by Pt. Bob Benne here, with some edits):
But like most things, Lutherans believe all of these things, and find themselves all across this spectrum, and some find these categories unhelpful, to simple, or bound by modern thinking to begin with. I (Pastor Brett) personally believe that while Lutherans technically believe in the "in paradox" type above, that foundational belief moves us toward the "transforming" position - when it comes to living out our faith, and I personally find that reflected in Luther and subsequent Lutheran theologians. One key thing we often consider or respond to when we consider this topic, is religious freedom and the "separation of church and state" which comes from the "establishment clause" in the First Amendment. Much of our thinking also flows from Jefferson's language in a letter he wrote regarding the First Amendment: Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Ok. But what does that mean to you?
What are the scripture verses/concepts/religious teachings that come to mind when you consider this topic? Check back later here and I'll update this with some for us to discuss - feel free to add yours in the comments below. Some other questions to consider: What is the Christian call/duty to advocate to change society? How much did Jesus talk about social/civil/political matters? What does it mean to you for a topic to be "political?" Where is the line? A couple examples for you to consider/question the church and society place here:
There is an ELCA Social Statement on Church and Society - click here for the brief summary (1pg) or the full social statement (8pg), which was approved in 1991. Free will. Do we have it? Yes? No? About some things but not about others?
Where does your belief about that come from? Were you explicitly taught, reasoned it out, or have you read scripture or theology that informed your thinking? What are the implications about your beliefs about free will? How does this belief interplay with beliefs about choice, blame (since people can/cannot choose/will themselves), fate/destiny/God's plan... Furthermore, how does you belief about free will (or lack thereof) OR are you just like - I never think about this at all! Question - if you've been in Lutheran worship, about every time we worship together we start with confession, using these or similar words: "we are captive to sin and cannot free ourselves." What does that mean to you? Also informing or a part of the conversation - Martin Luther writes in the explanation of the third article of the Apostles' Creed: "I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in my Lord Jesus Christ or come to him, but the Holy Spirit has called me through the gospel..." Christians, generally, believe a wide spectrum of things about free will - from none at all and complete predestination and God's plan, to none at all and humanity has complete will/choice. This is a topic on which there is a pretty specific Lutheran doctrinal position - however, as with other things, believing differently would not exclude anyone, and realistically there is a wide spectrum of belief about this among Lutherans as well. Here is a succinct summation of the Lutheran doctrinal position on free will, as explained in the book, Lutheran Questions, Lutheran Answers. However, if you'd like further reading, one of Martin Luther's most important (and debated, and still one of his most-read today) writings is The Bondage of the Will, which is a relatively short and digestible read... kind of, if you like that kind of thing. This "Lutheran" position on the question of free will is actually a quite radical and impactful belief, if you think about it. Let's engage it, and your opinions, openly in Bible study, this Thursday, 6/4, at 7:30, on Zoom here: https://zoom.us/j/703956236 Here are a couple further texts to consider and possibly discuss: Romans 7:14-25: For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. 15I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. 22For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin. The Augsburg Confession (the Confessional Doctrine of the Lutheran Church), Article 18, Free Will: Regarding free will, this is what we teach: Humans have a free will to a certain extent. They have the ability to live an outwardly honorable life and can make choices among those things that pertain to reason.1 But without the grace, help, and working of the Holy Spirit they are not capable of becoming pleasing to God, of fearing or believing God from the heart, or of expelling the innate, evil inclinations from their hearts. This rather takes place through the Holy Spirit, who is given through God’s word. For Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2, “The natural man understands nothing from the Spirit of God.”2 And so that it may be recognized that we are not teaching anything new and strange, we include here the clear words of Augustine on free will, from the third book of his Hypognosticon:3 We concede that there is a free will in all people, for all of them have natural, innate understanding and reason. We are not saying that they are capable of dealing with God in some respect, such as loving and fearing God from the heart; only in the outward works of this life do they have freedom to choose good or evil. By “good” I mean what their nature is capable of, such as working in the field or not, eating or drinking, going to see a friend or not, putting on or taking off a piece of clothing, taking a wife, pursuing a trade, and doing something useful and good of that sort. Of course without God none of these exists or continues; everything is from him and through him. On the other hand, man can also undertake something evil by his own choice, such as bowing down to an idol, committing a murder, etc. Our topic for Bible Study on Thursday, 5/28, is heaven and hell. There's a rich history of how the images and understanding of heaven and hell developed, mostly through culture/art/literature, rather than scripture. There are some good books and resources out there that unpack that more fully. For our conversation, though, we'll turn our attention to what's in scripture (and realize what isn't). To guide our conversation - some questions to reflect upon:
First, theologian Richard Rohr (video from The Work of the People resource site, to which I have a subscription): Second, a Lutheran perspective which also outlines the scripture that references and informs some of the images of heaven and hell: "By the light of grace: how does the ELCA understand heaven and hell?" Go read it! (Someone alerted me that their browser wouldn't open this link - the article is also included in this PDF - it begins on page 5 - the first four pages are a related (but not necessarily recommended) study guide.)
Additionally, shared by Bill S. - this document, and additionally this blurb: "In 1 Sam 28, Saul, just before the battle with the Philistines in which he is killed, consults with a medium (though he earlier banned them). He asks her to bring back the dead prophet Samuel, which she does. Samuel complains: “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up.” (verse 15) This appears to mean up from the grave and that he was perhaps asleep?" (There are other references in the scripture, in Paul's New Testament letters and depending on interpretation, in Jesus' own words, to death as falling asleep.) Our Thursday night Bible study had a general discussion about contradictions in scripture and how we handle them - now next Thursday, 5/21, we'll discuss three big umbrella areas of Biblical interpretation/contrast, which are relevant or come up in our actual lives:
We chose these three topics as ones that all are relevant and may strike close to our own views on our identity, our behaviors, and our social views. We never really do read any of the topical verses completely in isolation, nor should we. So, when considering the individual topics and verses below, do any of these overarching verses/themes inform how you read and interpret the topics and specific verses? (Or what are yours?)
![]() WAR/PEACE/VIOLENCE Here is just a sampling of the spectrum of interpretation on this topic and the scriptures that support it (not in a particular order):
Some interesting resources/official denominational perspective:
MONEY Here is just a sampling of the spectrum of interpretation on this topic and the scriptures that support it (not in a particular order):
SEX/GENDER (ROLES)/SEXUALITY Here is just a sampling of the spectrum of interpretation on this topic and the scriptures that support it (not in a particular order):
GENDER ROLES
Some interesting resources/official denominational perspective:
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